Vividcon 2003 -- Vidpairs show.
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wickedwordsWow, did this get
I volunteered to sit door for this show, because I thought it would be interesting and I figured not a lot of people would go. From what I had heard muttered around before the panel, this was probably the most feared show that was presented, at least from the vidders as viewers perspective. (The premiers' show is the most anxiety producing show from the vidders as vidders perspective, at least IMO.) I heard a lot of people express different reasons for not going to it, but my rant is about how it was the most transgressive of the panels because it violated one of the old time vidding laws: thou shalt not vid a song that someone else has vided.
(The theory here is that there is only one chance for someone to see a vid for the first time, and that if the viewer has already been exposed to the song, they are forever spoiled. The next vid with that song will have something to compete with, and there's never a chance for that 'first time' again. And even if a song hasn't been vidded before, if it's received too much airplay, the audience is spoiled again. Only a virgin audience can truly appreciate a good vid.)
As you can tell, that's not one of my favorite beliefs. My own fannish belief system says that authenticity is what is important, and as long as a vidder can take a song and make it authentic to the characters and the fandom of their choice, that's baseline for me. I want vids with emotion, and I want them to feel authentic. It's the same sort of line I draw with fan fiction. I want it true to the characters and the universe that they are in.
Now, I'm not saying that 9 versions of evanescence's 'Bring me to Life' is a good thing, but I am saying I don't think pop is the devil either. I also know that if I vidded a cool song and someone else vidded the exact same song in the same Fandom and both showed for the first time at the same con, I would be really, really bummed. Possibly bordering psycho-bummed, if I think about it. But that's something that's going to happen now and again, and all you can do is try to be gracious. We are a much larger community than we once were, with wide musical tastes Just choose songs with care, and understand that some songs will apply to multiple fandoms and be perfect for each.
(As an FYI, the vid pairs show was supposed to be discussed as a part of the song choice panel, but song choice went a different way.)
But that virginal audience thing wasn't the only issue that kept people away, though. That's just my issue of the moment. This show stirred up a lot of old, old, *old* agendas, and some people didn't come because of what had happened in the past. Also, I heard a few people talk about how they can't listen to a song they don't really care twice in a row, so those people stayed away as well.
Plus it was the first show on Saturday. It was tough getting up after Club Vivid. *g*
But for those that came, they were treated to an interesting show:
Something to Talk About by Low Down Father Fooler (CaliCrew), Scarecrow & Mrs. King
Something to Talk About by Carol S (Woad Society), Stargate
I have seen, oh, maybe 7 different vids to this song, and worked on at least one version, all of them slash, so it was interesting to see what was done with it for het. Carols was really funny if you'd seen the 7 or so slash vids that I had; the set up was exactly the same.
True Believer by Melissa (Chicago Loop), XFiles
True Believer by Nicole (Media Cannibals), Blake's 7
For me personally, I have a strong prejudice toward the Blake's 7 version of the song, but I can see exactly why the Xfiles vidder chose it for Scully. There are some unfortunate images choices for a few of the lyrics lines-- such as the shot of Scully looking at the xray on the line 'I'll get what I deserve', thereby implying that Scully thinks she deserves cancer for following Mulder -- that I feel undercut the story she was trying to tell, but the song itself is a good choice for the Mulder/Scully relationship.
Don't Put It in Your Mouth by DeeJay, Sandy and rache (Piddley Assed Productions, Professionals
Don't Put It in Your Mouth by Snoo (Chicago Loop), Due South
The pros vid was the one that Sandy and I learned to vid on. For years, I have felt that it was vastly inferior to the DS as the DS one is the fannish fit. (As an FYI, our pros one came out first, long before Due South was a twinkle in anyone's eye.) In a way, I was relieved to see them played together. I could see that both vids were funny, and that each had their own strengths and weaknesses. I liked that Cowley figured so prominently in the Pros version, providing a 'voice' and a frame -- a context -- for the lyrics being said. There wasn't quite as clear a voice in the Due South version, but it definitely had more variety in what *not* to put in your mouth.
Losing My Religion by Kandy Fong, S&H
Losing My Religion by Katherine (Media Cannibals) Homicide:LoTS
This was fascinating, as both vids were about Cops losing their badges. I'm afraid that I don't remember S&H enough to have the context down, but it told an interesting story anyway. The really fascinating thing for me, was how occasionally there were similar types of shots -- things like focusing on the badge at one particular lyric line -- but not so many that they seemed too similar. More like an occasional emotional echo, which heightened the sense of jeopardy based on what had happened 'before'.
In Your Eyes by Killa & Carol S (Woad Society), HL
In Your Eyes by Lynn C, Stargate
This is the song that I was talking about as being perfect for two different fandoms. There are two big threads that run through the song besides 'eyes': stars and forever. For Stargate, the stars are literal and the forever metaphorical. For Highlander, the stars are metaphorical and the forever literal. They were both made by master class vidders, and there is no way I would give up one or the other. I admit that seeing them together like this brought back a lot of the memory of the kerfluffle over the vids both premiering at the same Escapade. I felt such empathy for the vidders -- remember what I said about maybe getting a little psycho-bummed if that happed to me? -- and was I thrilled that they let their vids be seen together like this. They are both excellent vids.
Busted by Killa & Bone (Woad Society), Hard Core Logo
Busted by Katherine & Merry Lynne (Media Cannibals), Smallville
I think Busted is perfect for HCL, so I was a harder sell when the Smallville one came out. But looking on it with fresh eyes, I can see that Busted really works for Lex as well. That led to me thinking about the ways in which Joe Dick and Lex could be seen as similar, and what sorts of parallels they might have.
At that point, we ran out of time. I would have loved to see the Blake's 7 and Farscape versions of comedy tonight back to back; they have different versions of the same song (for B7, it's the old Zero Mostel version and for FS, it's the more modern Nathan Lane), and I wanted to see what had been done with them. My gut feeling is that they would be similar in an interesting fashion, as the shows were similar in interesting ways, and comparison/contrast is really one of my kinks.
I think that's it for my con reports. I'm really behind in working on my fiction, and I promised A that I would try to get a Pirates story done before the end of September.
I volunteered to sit door for this show, because I thought it would be interesting and I figured not a lot of people would go. From what I had heard muttered around before the panel, this was probably the most feared show that was presented, at least from the vidders as viewers perspective. (The premiers' show is the most anxiety producing show from the vidders as vidders perspective, at least IMO.) I heard a lot of people express different reasons for not going to it, but my rant is about how it was the most transgressive of the panels because it violated one of the old time vidding laws: thou shalt not vid a song that someone else has vided.
(The theory here is that there is only one chance for someone to see a vid for the first time, and that if the viewer has already been exposed to the song, they are forever spoiled. The next vid with that song will have something to compete with, and there's never a chance for that 'first time' again. And even if a song hasn't been vidded before, if it's received too much airplay, the audience is spoiled again. Only a virgin audience can truly appreciate a good vid.)
As you can tell, that's not one of my favorite beliefs. My own fannish belief system says that authenticity is what is important, and as long as a vidder can take a song and make it authentic to the characters and the fandom of their choice, that's baseline for me. I want vids with emotion, and I want them to feel authentic. It's the same sort of line I draw with fan fiction. I want it true to the characters and the universe that they are in.
Now, I'm not saying that 9 versions of evanescence's 'Bring me to Life' is a good thing, but I am saying I don't think pop is the devil either. I also know that if I vidded a cool song and someone else vidded the exact same song in the same Fandom and both showed for the first time at the same con, I would be really, really bummed. Possibly bordering psycho-bummed, if I think about it. But that's something that's going to happen now and again, and all you can do is try to be gracious. We are a much larger community than we once were, with wide musical tastes Just choose songs with care, and understand that some songs will apply to multiple fandoms and be perfect for each.
(As an FYI, the vid pairs show was supposed to be discussed as a part of the song choice panel, but song choice went a different way.)
But that virginal audience thing wasn't the only issue that kept people away, though. That's just my issue of the moment. This show stirred up a lot of old, old, *old* agendas, and some people didn't come because of what had happened in the past. Also, I heard a few people talk about how they can't listen to a song they don't really care twice in a row, so those people stayed away as well.
Plus it was the first show on Saturday. It was tough getting up after Club Vivid. *g*
But for those that came, they were treated to an interesting show:
Something to Talk About by Low Down Father Fooler (CaliCrew), Scarecrow & Mrs. King
Something to Talk About by Carol S (Woad Society), Stargate
I have seen, oh, maybe 7 different vids to this song, and worked on at least one version, all of them slash, so it was interesting to see what was done with it for het. Carols was really funny if you'd seen the 7 or so slash vids that I had; the set up was exactly the same.
True Believer by Melissa (Chicago Loop), XFiles
True Believer by Nicole (Media Cannibals), Blake's 7
For me personally, I have a strong prejudice toward the Blake's 7 version of the song, but I can see exactly why the Xfiles vidder chose it for Scully. There are some unfortunate images choices for a few of the lyrics lines-- such as the shot of Scully looking at the xray on the line 'I'll get what I deserve', thereby implying that Scully thinks she deserves cancer for following Mulder -- that I feel undercut the story she was trying to tell, but the song itself is a good choice for the Mulder/Scully relationship.
Don't Put It in Your Mouth by DeeJay, Sandy and rache (Piddley Assed Productions, Professionals
Don't Put It in Your Mouth by Snoo (Chicago Loop), Due South
The pros vid was the one that Sandy and I learned to vid on. For years, I have felt that it was vastly inferior to the DS as the DS one is the fannish fit. (As an FYI, our pros one came out first, long before Due South was a twinkle in anyone's eye.) In a way, I was relieved to see them played together. I could see that both vids were funny, and that each had their own strengths and weaknesses. I liked that Cowley figured so prominently in the Pros version, providing a 'voice' and a frame -- a context -- for the lyrics being said. There wasn't quite as clear a voice in the Due South version, but it definitely had more variety in what *not* to put in your mouth.
Losing My Religion by Kandy Fong, S&H
Losing My Religion by Katherine (Media Cannibals) Homicide:LoTS
This was fascinating, as both vids were about Cops losing their badges. I'm afraid that I don't remember S&H enough to have the context down, but it told an interesting story anyway. The really fascinating thing for me, was how occasionally there were similar types of shots -- things like focusing on the badge at one particular lyric line -- but not so many that they seemed too similar. More like an occasional emotional echo, which heightened the sense of jeopardy based on what had happened 'before'.
In Your Eyes by Killa & Carol S (Woad Society), HL
In Your Eyes by Lynn C, Stargate
This is the song that I was talking about as being perfect for two different fandoms. There are two big threads that run through the song besides 'eyes': stars and forever. For Stargate, the stars are literal and the forever metaphorical. For Highlander, the stars are metaphorical and the forever literal. They were both made by master class vidders, and there is no way I would give up one or the other. I admit that seeing them together like this brought back a lot of the memory of the kerfluffle over the vids both premiering at the same Escapade. I felt such empathy for the vidders -- remember what I said about maybe getting a little psycho-bummed if that happed to me? -- and was I thrilled that they let their vids be seen together like this. They are both excellent vids.
Busted by Killa & Bone (Woad Society), Hard Core Logo
Busted by Katherine & Merry Lynne (Media Cannibals), Smallville
I think Busted is perfect for HCL, so I was a harder sell when the Smallville one came out. But looking on it with fresh eyes, I can see that Busted really works for Lex as well. That led to me thinking about the ways in which Joe Dick and Lex could be seen as similar, and what sorts of parallels they might have.
At that point, we ran out of time. I would have loved to see the Blake's 7 and Farscape versions of comedy tonight back to back; they have different versions of the same song (for B7, it's the old Zero Mostel version and for FS, it's the more modern Nathan Lane), and I wanted to see what had been done with them. My gut feeling is that they would be similar in an interesting fashion, as the shows were similar in interesting ways, and comparison/contrast is really one of my kinks.
I think that's it for my con reports. I'm really behind in working on my fiction, and I promised A that I would try to get a Pirates story done before the end of September.
Re: Look.
Date: 2003-08-25 10:34 am (UTC)In vidding it's even worse -- since so few of us actually agree on aesthetic judgments most of the time, it's about defending more than just an individual artistic position, but a whole take on the activity of vidding. I've recognized I'm a dinosaur destined to die on a beach sometime soon, though :-) I just hope it's tropical, and there's rum buried there.
Lynn