VVC panel: The Genealogy of Vidding
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So, for several years now I've been using this metaphor to describe viding in the late eighties and nineties, that of the 'greater' and 'lesser' houses of viding, and toward the end of the timeperiod, the houses being 'beseiged' by either 'barbarians at the gate' or 'feral vidders'. Obviously, I have read far too much political-based Fantasy and SF in my life, but the metaphor felt like it fit to me.
Well, this year I got to do a whole presentation on my theory and how it all worked; unfortunately, it was scheduled against "Scooby Road." I got really good attendance, but man, I didn't get to see Lum's masterpiece, and so was incredibly bummed about that. But as there is never a good time to for anything to be scheduled.
Because I am lazy, all you get is the notes from the panel, but I hope you can see where we were going. There really wasn't time for enough discussion, and I only made it up to the creation of the west coast asthetic via vidding interaction at Escapade, so some year, there will need to be a part two.
Please note: All the asthetics have their strengths. I am coming out of the west coast asthetic, so my preferences are based on that, but everyone has their own preferences. I also need to mention that there's a difference between specifics and generalizations: while each person chooses for themselves what they will do, once you generalize, the individual choices get washed out. Each person within an asthetic chooses to follow some, all, or none of the values that they have been exposed to, yet the trend among all the vidders in that asthetic still holds.
The Genealogy of Vidding
Or How Who You Know Affects What You Do
So, in the west coast tradition, vidding started with Kandy Fong in the 70s. She's the one who first gathered together film clips from star trek and put together slide shows of those clips with music played on cassette tape.
But because the film clips were rare, not that many people had access to them; the invention of the VCR is the first leap in the numbers of people doing vidding. And VCRs were expensive, so people didn't go out and buy their own editing VCRs. Instead, you went to a friend's house -- maybe in new york, maybe in san Francisco, maybe in Chicago, maybe in DC -- and they showed your how it was done. You learned from it, and you learned what made a good vid from them too.
The three 'great houses' (though not the only people viding) from this time period were:
MediaWest (MWC) -- Mediawest was all about accessibility of the vid to the audience. Context was completely secondary to making sure that the audience 'got' what was being said. Simple and straightforward was cool; clarity was what was important. So if something said 'blue eyes', by god, there better be blue eyes on the screen or the vid was just wrong.
Example Vidders: Bunnies from Hell, Central Consortium, Vid Weasels, P.R. Zed
Vid example: Creation of Man (a multi-media vid by cali crew)
Key things to watch for: Song choice (musical), Context-free, Accessibility to large audience, literalness
The descendants of Mary Van Duesen (MVD) - Mary taught many, many, many people how to vid, and they in turn took what they learned and taught others. The important thing here was character and story that was the strongest overarching value in this aesthetic. (Well, that cutting to the beat. I can't stress that enough. Cutting to the beat.)
Example Vidders: MVD, DJ (and then my brain fried.)
Vid example: MVD Due South -This gun for hire. Dancing in the Dark
Key things to watch for: Character focus, living room vid qualities, transition from easily accessible to fandom specific, narrative, song choice matches character voice
San Francisco - the emphasis here was on color, emotion, song choice, cutting to the beat, and context. A clip taken out of context was an abhorrent in this aesthetical choice. This aesthetic started in the late 80s in Chicago with Tashery and Jill, and migrated to the greater SF area over time.
Example Vidders: Tashery, Gayle, Jill, Kay, Kathy, Morgan Dawn
Vid example: Jill & Kay Clean
Key things to watch for: Character focus, song choice, context dependence, use of theme, color palette, limited accessibility to the multiple levels of the vid.
[Discussion of how these 3 differ here]
From Escapade Fusion to the West Coast Aesthetic
These three aesthetics then clashed at a California con called Escapade, which is a slash con, over several years, and the mesh of these three then became the west coast aesthetic. Character focused, themed, yet accessible vids.
[HLOTS] Katherine's So Pure
[Multi-Media] Hair by the Media Cannibals
Other fusion groups of the era include the Chicago Loop, while the 'lesser houses' included Houston: (Katherine, Pam Rose, etc) and East Coast (Martha, Jenn, Judy Chien)
At that point, the technology is such that computer vidding starts to come to the fore, and we see a re-splintering of aesthetics again, as the old-style, in-person mentoring approach fades away along with the two VCR approach. These 'feral vidders' formed their own affinity groups, as the old houses tended to be pretty tight-knit.
The rise of WOAD, and 'feral vidders'. How that changed vidding, as new individuals brought in their own histories and concepts. Individuals such as Jo, which her knowledge of movies and camera work, and Killa, with her designer's eye for color and composition, changed the concept of what a good vid for a lot of people. Now it wasn't only important to tell a good story about characters and universes we liked, but the need for visual interest, increased. More than just talking heads...
WOAD aesthetic
[Discuss, discuss, discuss]
Example vid: Dante's Prayer by Killa
WOAD in turn, had mentor relationships with other vidders, and created their own vidding affinity groups, for example the Buffy Vidding Cabal.
Other Aesthetics:
The Xena aesthetic was an outgrowth of Xena fandom, who created their own version of vidding completely disconnected from the original three houses or the west coast aesthetic. I'm not really qualified to discuss the Xena aesthetic, as I only dabbled there occasionally, but it's typified in my mind by a greater use of special effects, and an emphasis on active clips. To me, they are more similar to professional trailers than the west coast aesthetic
Anime fandom also created their own version of vidding, also disassociated from the west coast aesthetic. Again, this is not something that I have the experience to discuss, but there are a bunch of people who would be happy to talk about it.
There are more, and variations as groups met and split and swore blood oaths against each other; the concept of good vids is vital to us, as we all want to be successful. But each new person entering the craft has he ability to bring into it new and different values, and it's no longer possible to say 'this is how to craft a good vid' from an engineering like perspective, if it ever was. Instead, we are at the realm of art, where we know it when we see it, and everything is subsumed by that.
One final note: even though I set the timeframe for this as the late 80s through the 90s, the asthetics and vidding guidelines they imply are still going strong. In this year's VVC premiere's show, I'd say 'Joker' was a great example of the mediawest asthetic, showcasing accessiblity to a crowd; Morgan Dawn's Dr. Who vid was an excellent example of the use of color in a vid, something prized by the San Fransicso asthetic; and Crush Story (our 'The Tick' vid) was out-and-out pure West Coast asthetic.
Well, this year I got to do a whole presentation on my theory and how it all worked; unfortunately, it was scheduled against "Scooby Road." I got really good attendance, but man, I didn't get to see Lum's masterpiece, and so was incredibly bummed about that. But as there is never a good time to for anything to be scheduled.
Because I am lazy, all you get is the notes from the panel, but I hope you can see where we were going. There really wasn't time for enough discussion, and I only made it up to the creation of the west coast asthetic via vidding interaction at Escapade, so some year, there will need to be a part two.
Please note: All the asthetics have their strengths. I am coming out of the west coast asthetic, so my preferences are based on that, but everyone has their own preferences. I also need to mention that there's a difference between specifics and generalizations: while each person chooses for themselves what they will do, once you generalize, the individual choices get washed out. Each person within an asthetic chooses to follow some, all, or none of the values that they have been exposed to, yet the trend among all the vidders in that asthetic still holds.
Or How Who You Know Affects What You Do
So, in the west coast tradition, vidding started with Kandy Fong in the 70s. She's the one who first gathered together film clips from star trek and put together slide shows of those clips with music played on cassette tape.
But because the film clips were rare, not that many people had access to them; the invention of the VCR is the first leap in the numbers of people doing vidding. And VCRs were expensive, so people didn't go out and buy their own editing VCRs. Instead, you went to a friend's house -- maybe in new york, maybe in san Francisco, maybe in Chicago, maybe in DC -- and they showed your how it was done. You learned from it, and you learned what made a good vid from them too.
The three 'great houses' (though not the only people viding) from this time period were:
MediaWest (MWC) -- Mediawest was all about accessibility of the vid to the audience. Context was completely secondary to making sure that the audience 'got' what was being said. Simple and straightforward was cool; clarity was what was important. So if something said 'blue eyes', by god, there better be blue eyes on the screen or the vid was just wrong.
Example Vidders: Bunnies from Hell, Central Consortium, Vid Weasels, P.R. Zed
Vid example: Creation of Man (a multi-media vid by cali crew)
Key things to watch for: Song choice (musical), Context-free, Accessibility to large audience, literalness
The descendants of Mary Van Duesen (MVD) - Mary taught many, many, many people how to vid, and they in turn took what they learned and taught others. The important thing here was character and story that was the strongest overarching value in this aesthetic. (Well, that cutting to the beat. I can't stress that enough. Cutting to the beat.)
Example Vidders: MVD, DJ (and then my brain fried.)
Vid example: MVD Due South -
Key things to watch for: Character focus, living room vid qualities, transition from easily accessible to fandom specific, narrative, song choice matches character voice
San Francisco - the emphasis here was on color, emotion, song choice, cutting to the beat, and context. A clip taken out of context was an abhorrent in this aesthetical choice. This aesthetic started in the late 80s in Chicago with Tashery and Jill, and migrated to the greater SF area over time.
Example Vidders: Tashery, Gayle, Jill, Kay, Kathy, Morgan Dawn
Vid example: Jill & Kay Clean
Key things to watch for: Character focus, song choice, context dependence, use of theme, color palette, limited accessibility to the multiple levels of the vid.
[Discussion of how these 3 differ here]
From Escapade Fusion to the West Coast Aesthetic
These three aesthetics then clashed at a California con called Escapade, which is a slash con, over several years, and the mesh of these three then became the west coast aesthetic. Character focused, themed, yet accessible vids.
[HLOTS] Katherine's So Pure
[Multi-Media] Hair by the Media Cannibals
Other fusion groups of the era include the Chicago Loop, while the 'lesser houses' included Houston: (Katherine, Pam Rose, etc) and East Coast (Martha, Jenn, Judy Chien)
At that point, the technology is such that computer vidding starts to come to the fore, and we see a re-splintering of aesthetics again, as the old-style, in-person mentoring approach fades away along with the two VCR approach. These 'feral vidders' formed their own affinity groups, as the old houses tended to be pretty tight-knit.
The rise of WOAD, and 'feral vidders'. How that changed vidding, as new individuals brought in their own histories and concepts. Individuals such as Jo, which her knowledge of movies and camera work, and Killa, with her designer's eye for color and composition, changed the concept of what a good vid for a lot of people. Now it wasn't only important to tell a good story about characters and universes we liked, but the need for visual interest, increased. More than just talking heads...
WOAD aesthetic
[Discuss, discuss, discuss]
Example vid: Dante's Prayer by Killa
WOAD in turn, had mentor relationships with other vidders, and created their own vidding affinity groups, for example the Buffy Vidding Cabal.
Other Aesthetics:
The Xena aesthetic was an outgrowth of Xena fandom, who created their own version of vidding completely disconnected from the original three houses or the west coast aesthetic. I'm not really qualified to discuss the Xena aesthetic, as I only dabbled there occasionally, but it's typified in my mind by a greater use of special effects, and an emphasis on active clips. To me, they are more similar to professional trailers than the west coast aesthetic
Anime fandom also created their own version of vidding, also disassociated from the west coast aesthetic. Again, this is not something that I have the experience to discuss, but there are a bunch of people who would be happy to talk about it.
There are more, and variations as groups met and split and swore blood oaths against each other; the concept of good vids is vital to us, as we all want to be successful. But each new person entering the craft has he ability to bring into it new and different values, and it's no longer possible to say 'this is how to craft a good vid' from an engineering like perspective, if it ever was. Instead, we are at the realm of art, where we know it when we see it, and everything is subsumed by that.
One final note: even though I set the timeframe for this as the late 80s through the 90s, the asthetics and vidding guidelines they imply are still going strong. In this year's VVC premiere's show, I'd say 'Joker' was a great example of the mediawest asthetic, showcasing accessiblity to a crowd; Morgan Dawn's Dr. Who vid was an excellent example of the use of color in a vid, something prized by the San Fransicso asthetic; and Crush Story (our 'The Tick' vid) was out-and-out pure West Coast asthetic.
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Date: 2005-08-26 08:00 pm (UTC)Yet more things to write papers about...
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Date: 2005-08-26 11:31 pm (UTC)Seriously, this is so fascinating!!! I had no idea that the differnt aesthetics that I'm slowly beginning to recognize had clearly distinct genealogies.
So much more to learn...I wish I had more natural talent, but I'm watching and trying to see (and hear) ...
Thank you!!!
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Date: 2005-08-28 03:29 pm (UTC)This is really an interesting topic. It's made me all thinky.
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Date: 2005-08-26 08:33 pm (UTC)Yeah. 30 years. That's a lot of undocumented history.
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Date: 2005-08-27 06:23 am (UTC)Who is that person in your icon? He's mesmerizing.
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Date: 2005-08-26 02:47 pm (UTC)And I want to say more, but honestly I don't have anything to say. You mentioned some of my favorite vids, though. I adore "So Pure." It's not only a marvelous study of Frank, it's a marvelous study of Frank through Bayliss's eyes. And I watched "Dante's Prayer" just last night. /g/
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Date: 2005-08-26 08:33 pm (UTC)I just looked at some of my first vids recently, as I was re-encoding them, and I think I can pick out specific things that I did because of particular vids that I was watching. It's very cool. :D
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Date: 2005-08-27 12:12 am (UTC)And yes, asthetics! *g* WOAD was more given to pushing the technical edge and incorpoerate innovative types of music into their vids, it's no wonder more traditional vidders felt like the rug was pulled out from under them. Such an interesting time.
I think it would be fun if you guys did that segment, she said heading quickly for the door...
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Date: 2005-08-27 12:25 am (UTC)I often find it a shame that the AMV community have lost a lot of their 80s/90s VCR roots (mostly because those editors didnt stay around in the community). Vidding, on the other hand, has a fine tradition and long may it stay that way :)
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Date: 2005-08-27 03:06 am (UTC)And cool, I'm glad you enjoyed the panel. There is just so much here, and I'm really clear that I don't have the background in AMV history to be able to speak about that at any length. I'm so glad you put up all of your notes and examples from your panel, as I needed to bookmark it as a reference.
Vids. Yay.
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Date: 2005-08-28 03:16 am (UTC)Very interesting post, by the way.
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Date: 2005-08-28 05:11 pm (UTC)Elements of the three great houses you mentioned can all be found recognizably in AMV-land.
From the MWC house, you get what's referred to as litaral sync. The ability to construct a coherent story completely independant of the source anime is prized too, reminiscent of MWC.
From MVD, you get character profiles (which, obviously, depend heavily on the viewer's familiarity with the anime), and beat-synching (this being considered extremely important). Narrative qualities and storytelling frequently are considered important - vids are sometimes criticized as being 'technically well-edited, but otherwise random clips' or similar.
The SF house is less recognizable, since elements like color are less significant in AMV-land, and just about all AMVs rely on taking a clip out of context. Videos have multiple levels is not unknown, however. Social commentary through AMVs has happened.
This is very interesting to read, coming from the perspective of an AMV editor with approximately zero exposure to the general vidding world.
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Date: 2005-08-29 04:39 pm (UTC)And boy, do I need a short hand for live action. LA just looks wrong. *g*
Thanks!
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Date: 2007-04-14 10:53 pm (UTC)I never knew how vidding got started, pretty nifty.
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