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So, for several years now I've been using this metaphor to describe viding in the late eighties and nineties, that of the 'greater' and 'lesser' houses of viding, and toward the end of the timeperiod, the houses being 'beseiged' by either 'barbarians at the gate' or 'feral vidders'. Obviously, I have read far too much political-based Fantasy and SF in my life, but the metaphor felt like it fit to me.

Well, this year I got to do a whole presentation on my theory and how it all worked; unfortunately, it was scheduled against "Scooby Road." I got really good attendance, but man, I didn't get to see Lum's masterpiece, and so was incredibly bummed about that. But as there is never a good time to for anything to be scheduled.

Because I am lazy, all you get is the notes from the panel, but I hope you can see where we were going. There really wasn't time for enough discussion, and I only made it up to the creation of the west coast asthetic via vidding interaction at Escapade, so some year, there will need to be a part two.

Please note: All the asthetics have their strengths. I am coming out of the west coast asthetic, so my preferences are based on that, but everyone has their own preferences. I also need to mention that there's a difference between specifics and generalizations: while each person chooses for themselves what they will do, once you generalize, the individual choices get washed out. Each person within an asthetic chooses to follow some, all, or none of the values that they have been exposed to, yet the trend among all the vidders in that asthetic still holds.



The Genealogy of Vidding

Or How Who You Know Affects What You Do


So, in the west coast tradition, vidding started with Kandy Fong in the 70s. She's the one who first gathered together film clips from star trek and put together slide shows of those clips with music played on cassette tape.

But because the film clips were rare, not that many people had access to them; the invention of the VCR is the first leap in the numbers of people doing vidding. And VCRs were expensive, so people didn't go out and buy their own editing VCRs. Instead, you went to a friend's house -- maybe in new york, maybe in san Francisco, maybe in Chicago, maybe in DC -- and they showed your how it was done. You learned from it, and you learned what made a good vid from them too.

The three 'great houses' (though not the only people viding) from this time period were:

MediaWest (MWC) -- Mediawest was all about accessibility of the vid to the audience. Context was completely secondary to making sure that the audience 'got' what was being said. Simple and straightforward was cool; clarity was what was important. So if something said 'blue eyes', by god, there better be blue eyes on the screen or the vid was just wrong.

Example Vidders: Bunnies from Hell, Central Consortium, Vid Weasels, P.R. Zed

Vid example: Creation of Man (a multi-media vid by cali crew)

Key things to watch for: Song choice (musical), Context-free, Accessibility to large audience, literalness

The descendants of Mary Van Duesen (MVD) - Mary taught many, many, many people how to vid, and they in turn took what they learned and taught others. The important thing here was character and story that was the strongest overarching value in this aesthetic. (Well, that cutting to the beat. I can't stress that enough. Cutting to the beat.)

Example Vidders: MVD, DJ (and then my brain fried.)

Vid example: MVD Due South - This gun for hire. Dancing in the Dark

Key things to watch for: Character focus, living room vid qualities, transition from easily accessible to fandom specific, narrative, song choice matches character voice

San Francisco - the emphasis here was on color, emotion, song choice, cutting to the beat, and context. A clip taken out of context was an abhorrent in this aesthetical choice. This aesthetic started in the late 80s in Chicago with Tashery and Jill, and migrated to the greater SF area over time.

Example Vidders: Tashery, Gayle, Jill, Kay, Kathy, Morgan Dawn

Vid example: Jill & Kay Clean

Key things to watch for: Character focus, song choice, context dependence, use of theme, color palette, limited accessibility to the multiple levels of the vid.

[Discussion of how these 3 differ here]

From Escapade Fusion to the West Coast Aesthetic
These three aesthetics then clashed at a California con called Escapade, which is a slash con, over several years, and the mesh of these three then became the west coast aesthetic. Character focused, themed, yet accessible vids.
[HLOTS] Katherine's So Pure
[Multi-Media] Hair by the Media Cannibals

Other fusion groups of the era include the Chicago Loop, while the 'lesser houses' included Houston: (Katherine, Pam Rose, etc) and East Coast (Martha, Jenn, Judy Chien)

At that point, the technology is such that computer vidding starts to come to the fore, and we see a re-splintering of aesthetics again, as the old-style, in-person mentoring approach fades away along with the two VCR approach. These 'feral vidders' formed their own affinity groups, as the old houses tended to be pretty tight-knit.

The rise of WOAD, and 'feral vidders'. How that changed vidding, as new individuals brought in their own histories and concepts. Individuals such as Jo, which her knowledge of movies and camera work, and Killa, with her designer's eye for color and composition, changed the concept of what a good vid for a lot of people. Now it wasn't only important to tell a good story about characters and universes we liked, but the need for visual interest, increased. More than just talking heads...

WOAD aesthetic
[Discuss, discuss, discuss]
Example vid: Dante's Prayer by Killa

WOAD in turn, had mentor relationships with other vidders, and created their own vidding affinity groups, for example the Buffy Vidding Cabal.

Other Aesthetics:
The Xena aesthetic was an outgrowth of Xena fandom, who created their own version of vidding completely disconnected from the original three houses or the west coast aesthetic. I'm not really qualified to discuss the Xena aesthetic, as I only dabbled there occasionally, but it's typified in my mind by a greater use of special effects, and an emphasis on active clips. To me, they are more similar to professional trailers than the west coast aesthetic

Anime fandom also created their own version of vidding, also disassociated from the west coast aesthetic. Again, this is not something that I have the experience to discuss, but there are a bunch of people who would be happy to talk about it.

There are more, and variations as groups met and split and swore blood oaths against each other; the concept of good vids is vital to us, as we all want to be successful. But each new person entering the craft has he ability to bring into it new and different values, and it's no longer possible to say 'this is how to craft a good vid' from an engineering like perspective, if it ever was. Instead, we are at the realm of art, where we know it when we see it, and everything is subsumed by that.



One final note: even though I set the timeframe for this as the late 80s through the 90s, the asthetics and vidding guidelines they imply are still going strong. In this year's VVC premiere's show, I'd say 'Joker' was a great example of the mediawest asthetic, showcasing accessiblity to a crowd; Morgan Dawn's Dr. Who vid was an excellent example of the use of color in a vid, something prized by the San Fransicso asthetic; and Crush Story (our 'The Tick' vid) was out-and-out pure West Coast asthetic.

Date: 2005-08-26 02:10 pm (UTC)
zoerayne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zoerayne
I put this in my memories, as I find this kind of discussion/history endlessly fascinating. I'm assuming my vids probably fall under the West Coast aesthetic, too, since my main influences were the Cannibals and other Escapade folks, though I was also pretty close to being a feral vidder--or at least a hermitlike one. *g*

Date: 2005-08-26 08:00 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (john bondage determined by icon_ascentio)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
You were (are?) pretty feral from what I recall. *g* In my mind, the groups of people that learned vidding from published sources, like newsletters and such, didn't get the indoctrination into a specific value system the way vidders with direct contact did. Then again, there should probably be a whole discussion about how the decison by DJ and some other vidders of the era to not put their vids on con tapes anymore but to only distribute them themselves (to cut down on the generation loss that happened with con tapes) led to a "teaching-by-example" process, as now there were many examples with the same asthetic on the same tape. Immersion teaching, as it were, and trusting the newbie vidder to pull out the threads of the asthetic from what they saw.

Yet more things to write papers about...

Date: 2005-08-26 11:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] cathexys.livejournal.com
Yet more things to write papers about... And I can't wait for someone to do just that. I tried so desperately to find someone to write on vids...nogo. And I'm barely qualified to jusdge a good paper at this moment :-)

Seriously, this is so fascinating!!! I had no idea that the differnt aesthetics that I'm slowly beginning to recognize had clearly distinct genealogies.

So much more to learn...I wish I had more natural talent, but I'm watching and trying to see (and hear) ...

Thank you!!!

Date: 2005-08-27 02:39 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (Default)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
30 years of undocumented history. 30 years. There is just so much that should be written and explored. Personally, I'm not up to doing that formally but boy, I wish someone would. Thanks!

Date: 2005-08-27 02:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] cathexys.livejournal.com
so do i!!! but the more i watch and the more i read the more i realize how little i know. i'm certain someone will come along though...hopefully soon!!!

Date: 2005-08-28 03:29 pm (UTC)
zoerayne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zoerayne
I would think that there were quite a few of us who learned vidding by example, rather than via direct mentoring. I mean, I went to every vidding panel at Escapade and at other cons, and then watched the Cannibals tapes obsessively, trying to pick out technique etc. It's not quite feral, but I don't know what else to call it.

This is really an interesting topic. It's made me all thinky.

Date: 2005-08-28 05:00 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (house whiteboard by tzikeh)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
Thinky is good. I like thinky. *g*

Date: 2005-08-26 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kassrachel.livejournal.com
I'm so glad you posted these notes! This is totally fascinating to me, and of course it makes sense when you lay it out that way -- how different aesthetics privilege different elements of vids, how that privileging leads to the choices different vidders make. This is so cool. I hope you do part 2 next year. :-)

Date: 2005-08-26 08:03 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (gay robes  by tzikeh)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
People asked for a full vid show on it, so maybe I will. But I also want to do the 'heartfelt' vids one, and I have no idea what would make me happier. It's possible that maybe next year the discussion could focus on the 'supergroups' of the era -- the vidding cabals -- and talk about the influence that those groups had on vidding. Just thoughts.

Date: 2005-08-26 02:44 pm (UTC)
luminosity: (fighting forms -)
From: [personal profile] luminosity
There were two panels I wanted to attend this year, and this was one of them (the other was the Aesthetics panel, but my brain was so fried that I took a nap instead). I've been aware of the different schools and aesthetics--how could I not be?! knowing y'all! -- and have tried to pick and choose and synthesize from them, but it would have been great to actually be there and see how they relate and how they've evolved. Like learning my own roots. Thanks for putting up the notes.

Date: 2005-08-26 08:33 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (rache with tea)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
I just hope it makes sense to the people that weren't able to attend; I truly did not realize that the topic was so big (explain the sociological history of vidding. be brief. use examples.) could not be done in the timeframe allowed. I would have loved to gotten into the transition time when WOAD was formed, when VCR vidding was in a decline and computer vidding was starting to rise. That's a fascinating (if uncomfortable) period in our history, and I didn't even get to mention it! And Carol's influence in vidding, and...and...and...

Yeah. 30 years. That's a lot of undocumented history.

Date: 2005-08-26 08:35 pm (UTC)
luminosity: (dancing doctor)
From: [personal profile] luminosity
*cough* And you are JUST the person to document it. :)

Date: 2005-08-27 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamilaa.livejournal.com
*stares*

Who is that person in your icon? He's mesmerizing.

/off topic>

Date: 2005-08-27 06:57 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] wemblee.livejournal.com
It's Christopher Eccleston (sp?), aka, the Ninth (most recent) Doctor Who. *loves*

Date: 2005-08-26 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmmchelle.livejournal.com
Oooh, this is fascinating. My exposure has mostly been to WOAD and MC, so now you have me curious about other approaches.

And I want to say more, but honestly I don't have anything to say. You mentioned some of my favorite vids, though. I adore "So Pure." It's not only a marvelous study of Frank, it's a marvelous study of Frank through Bayliss's eyes. And I watched "Dante's Prayer" just last night. /g/

Date: 2005-08-26 08:44 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (rodney opinions by 'chelle)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
It's just not a good vividcon for me if I can't watch "So Pure" on the big screen; that is one of the most emotionally satisfing vids for me, and I love seeing it again, and again, and again. This actually gets to the heart of my conflict over shows for next year -- I want to do a vid show about emotionally satisfying vids (i.e., heartfelt vids) (and yeah, I so would show dantes prayer in that, and then I would be able to drop 'so pure'. I think.) I'd be pretty happy to have someone else go over the transition years, and talk about the conflicts and asthetics that arose, like the conflict about special effects. There is such a richness there, and I don't want mine to be the only voice that talks about this stuff. There has got to be more opinions than mine. *g*

Date: 2005-08-26 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tzikeh.livejournal.com
Pssst - the MVD vid example was "Dancin' in the Dark".

Date: 2005-08-26 03:18 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (wilson supplicant by tzikeh)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
Fixed! Thanks.

Date: 2005-08-26 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurashapiro.livejournal.com
Thanks for this. I was sorry to miss your panel this year, but I am very grateful to have the notes for it. I am trying to resist the urge to classify myself according to the various Houses. (:

Date: 2005-08-26 08:46 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (i-man good to be seen by Killa)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
Wouldn't it be nice if you could use one of those meme generators, and create the 'what is your vidding house?' meme, complete with quesions and ticky boxes and cool graphics? I'd like to take it myself. I don't want to craft it, but it would be fun to play.

Date: 2005-08-26 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurashapiro.livejournal.com
Okay, now you're giving me evil, time-wasting ideas...

Date: 2005-08-26 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falzalot.livejournal.com
Oh wow, this is such cool stuff! Thanks for posting the notes!

Date: 2005-08-27 12:07 am (UTC)
ext_1637: (jim blair domestic by copracat)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
Thanks! I'm glad that you were able to make sense of the notes. *g*

Date: 2005-08-26 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killabeez.livejournal.com
Wow, this is so fascinating! We have a WOAD aesthetic? Neat! *g* You know, I think of myself as having had two really strong influences -- the MCs and Carol's first Basement Productions tape. The experiences I had at Zebracon of seeing those vids (particularly I Am the Cat, Building a Mystery, Hippie Boy, We Care A Lot, and Veli) made such a huge impression on me. But I realized watching Chris Soto's vid in the High-Def show that I also had all those older K/S vids in my mind (particularly I Dreamed a Dream and It's All Coming Back to Me). I love that you are tracing these threads for us.

I just looked at some of my first vids recently, as I was re-encoding them, and I think I can pick out specific things that I did because of particular vids that I was watching. It's very cool. :D

Date: 2005-08-27 12:12 am (UTC)
ext_1637: (HL canon by beeej)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
I feel so bad about not having Carol in my notes! She was such a big influence during the transition time, and helped bring experimentation with new technologies and new types of vids -- like language -- into vidding. Plus she got so many people hooked up to things, and didn't she write one of the early handouts on how to trick out your computer for vidding? Man, so many things.

And yes, asthetics! *g* WOAD was more given to pushing the technical edge and incorpoerate innovative types of music into their vids, it's no wonder more traditional vidders felt like the rug was pulled out from under them. Such an interesting time.

I think it would be fun if you guys did that segment, she said heading quickly for the door...

Date: 2005-08-27 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] absolutedestiny.livejournal.com
This was an excellent panel. I felt, for me, that it was very important to know where different things have come from. We should never forget what has come before because it teaches us in more ways than we could care to imagine.

I often find it a shame that the AMV community have lost a lot of their 80s/90s VCR roots (mostly because those editors didnt stay around in the community). Vidding, on the other hand, has a fine tradition and long may it stay that way :)

Date: 2005-08-27 03:06 am (UTC)
ext_1637: (vid tv by sherrold)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
Side note to everything -- you have really great icons. They are clean and the colors are always so striking. I love just seeing what you post with.

And cool, I'm glad you enjoyed the panel. There is just so much here, and I'm really clear that I don't have the background in AMV history to be able to speak about that at any length. I'm so glad you put up all of your notes and examples from your panel, as I needed to bookmark it as a reference.

Vids. Yay.

Date: 2005-08-27 05:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commodorified.livejournal.com
That is fascinating. Thank you!

Date: 2005-08-27 04:01 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (blair squishy science by copracat)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
LOL! Oh, I love your icon. Thanks!

Date: 2005-08-27 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kestrelsan.livejournal.com
I would have loved to have gone to the panel but I didn't get in until Friday night. Thanks so much for putting up your notes! This is amazing stuff and completely new to (non-vidder) me.

Date: 2005-08-27 04:02 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (house dvd by samertia)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
I'm glad you found the notes interesting. Yay! thanks.

Date: 2005-08-28 03:16 am (UTC)
copracat: dreamwidth vera (weeps)
From: [personal profile] copracat
I read it twice and I can't pick out what "WOAD" stands for. What does "WOAD" stand for?

Very interesting post, by the way.

Date: 2005-08-28 05:11 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (HL canon by beeej)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
I think it was an in-joke. Many of the vidders in the group were in Highlander together, and there's a Methos/Woad connection there. You might have to ask one of the vidders about it.

Date: 2005-08-28 05:29 pm (UTC)
copracat: dreamwidth vera (Default)
From: [personal profile] copracat
So, you're saying WOAD in fact stands for woad? That's tricky.

Date: 2005-08-28 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalium.livejournal.com
Anime fandom also created their own version of vidding, also disassociated from the west coast aesthetic. Again, this is not something that I have the experience to discuss, but there are a bunch of people who would be happy to talk about it.

Elements of the three great houses you mentioned can all be found recognizably in AMV-land.

From the MWC house, you get what's referred to as litaral sync. The ability to construct a coherent story completely independant of the source anime is prized too, reminiscent of MWC.

From MVD, you get character profiles (which, obviously, depend heavily on the viewer's familiarity with the anime), and beat-synching (this being considered extremely important). Narrative qualities and storytelling frequently are considered important - vids are sometimes criticized as being 'technically well-edited, but otherwise random clips' or similar.

The SF house is less recognizable, since elements like color are less significant in AMV-land, and just about all AMVs rely on taking a clip out of context. Videos have multiple levels is not unknown, however. Social commentary through AMVs has happened.

This is very interesting to read, coming from the perspective of an AMV editor with approximately zero exposure to the general vidding world.

Date: 2005-08-29 04:39 pm (UTC)
ext_1637: (rache with tea)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
That is so cool! The idea that these particular sets of asthetics traverse the worlds of AMV and live action like that. It would be neat if we could put a show together that showed stylistically similar AMV and live action vids.

And boy, do I need a short hand for live action. LA just looks wrong. *g*

Thanks!

Date: 2005-08-29 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalium.livejournal.com
Good idea, but good luck pulling it off. The visual difference would be rather jarring.

Date: 2005-08-30 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] par-avion.livejournal.com
Thanks for putting your notes up. I was sorry to have missed this panel. I've accumulated some knowledge by osmosis and reading the vidder archives, but this is just neat. It makes me want to draw geneology charts. :)

Date: 2005-08-31 01:46 am (UTC)
ext_1637: (john maths by chelle)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
LOL! Charts good. I ad mit, my first thought was to do charts and graphs and venn diagrams, but really, I am quite lazy at heart.

Date: 2007-04-14 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkbunnyrabbit.livejournal.com
This was a cool read ^^ Personally, I'm a self-taught vidder, I never really paid attention to vids until I decided to start making AU vids (in which the visual and audio all center around the need to make the story you want shine, and not the storyline of the original show/movie/whatever) and my style fluctuates through all the 'houses' depending on the day or type of vid I wanna make.

I never knew how vidding got started, pretty nifty.

Date: 2007-04-17 01:43 am (UTC)
ext_1637: (Default)
From: [identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com
Other people might have slightly different takes, but this is how I remember it. There may be just a hair of dramatic over-statement in there, in case that wasn't apparent. *g* Thanks!

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